Here is my opinion on the upcoming Regional events. I compete in the Canada West Regional this weekend (April 27-29th), so I may have some different thoughts afterwards.
Event # 1 - "Diane"
1) Modalities - 2
2) Energy System Tested (based on the top competitors) - CP Stamina/Capacity
3) Thoughts:
- this is a classic CrossFit workout. I remember watching a video of Brett Marshall (CrossFit Calgary) from many many moons ago absolutely destroying this workout. I wonder if anyone will beat his time of sub 2 min during the next few weekends?
- this was my best performance on Diane, way back in September 2009...shortly after the 2009 CrossFit Games. My feet were too wide (why that matters I still don't know), my hands were too wide (probably 3-4" wider than the limit for the HSPU's in the Regionals 2012), and I was wearing a belt (that would be an automatic 30 second penalty now that I think about it).
- this is not a workout in favour of someone that is heavy and tall (i.e. DeeJay Wickham)
- for the top Male/Female competitors - the entire workout is centred around the HSPU's. The deadlift will only really dictate positioning in standings for people that are able to blaze through the HSPU's unbroken, thereby creating a scenario which makes the breaks between sets of Deadlifts quite short, thereby making them more challenging.
- for most Female competitors - this might as well be 45 HSPU's for time (for the most part). Only a small percentage (maybe < 20%) females will have some issues with doing the Deadlifts unbroken. And, yes, the Deadlifts will add some fatigue to the upper body/core which does play a part in the HSPU's, but it is not going to be that important. I really dislike the fact that females have to complete the 21 HSPU's in order to advance onward in the competition, very disappointing. These individuals will not take one of the top two spots in my Regional, so I don't know what the issue is. I hope all the females squeak out the round of 21 so they are able to continue. Setting this standard places way too much emphasis on the upper body relative strength (body weight/height vs. strength) of the Female competitors (the Male competitors will likely not be affected by this, for the most part).
Event # 2 - "The Zone 1 Row"
1) Modalities - 3
2) Energy System Tested (based on the top competitors) - CP Stamina/Capacity with a splash of Aerobic System
3) Thoughts:
- poor layout to the workout. Placing the 2000m Row at the start of the workout makes no sense to me, as it takes away 2 things - 1) potentiation of events, and 2) pain (i.e. aerobic power). But, at least everyone will have completed a decent warm-up prior to starting the pistols! I will be rowing the 2000m at a 1:55 ish/500m pace (give or take), meaning that my heart rate will not even approach 85% max, meaning the my cardiac output will be very low, meaning that this is not a test of the aerobic system.
- I believe a slight change in the design would yield more useful results. For example: start the workout with the hang cleans. Make it an AMRAP in 2-5 mins at that weight if you wish. Then AMRAP Pistols in 2-5 mins. Then Row 2000m for time. At least this way the 2000m Row means something, and being proficient at Pistols means something as well. Score the events individually, or combine, or whatever.
- the Hang Cleans will be the determining factor in the workout for everyone, unless you are very slow at the Pistols due to ankle flexibility, injury to the knee, etc., or your Rower is broken.
- again setting the standard of having to complete the 10 Hang Cleans in order to move on makes no sense to me and will end individuals' weekends' too early.
- for people that have long thigh bones (i.e. femur), and limited ankle flexibility, you had better bring some high heel shoes to get the pistols done...or plan on doing pistols on your toes (read: knee/hip injury).
- I like the use of a single leg movement in testing, as proficiency in double leg and single leg movements is a missing link in many of the people I come across.
Event # 3 - "DB Power Snatch and Yogging"
1) Modalities - 2
2) Energy System Tested (based on the top competitors) - CP Stamina/Capacity with a splash of Aerobic System
3) Thoughts:
- where can I buy a 100lb DB?
- producing power with the hips and finishing with a single arm is a nice addition to competition (like a softball throw).
- receiving the DB overhead is going to be really challenging for many people (myself included).
- the movement standard weight for the Power Snatch is too slow to make the workout very taxing to the lactate or aerobic system for most (relative to its true potential).
- I will be on the lookout for people that are sprinting during this event as it will be non-existant (outside of the last dash during round 4).
- I posted about this on Facebook a few weeks ago, stating that I believe without testing running in a competition, you cannot truly test fitness. This event is not a test of running, in case you were wondering. If you will always test for a max lift in a competition, then you should always test for a run of some sorts (I would suggest distance has to total at least 1600m to balance things out). Running seems very simple or boring, but it is very revealing of any energy system you choose to test and is always valid/repeatable/measurable.
- again, not a fan of cutting people who cannot finish the first round of the DB Power Snatch/Run. I sincerely hope everyone makes it though the first round.
Event # 4 - "Ouch"
1) Modalities - 5
2) Energy System Tested (based on the top competitors) - I don't know. There will be lots of breathing/muscular endurance needed and lots of fractions of reps (i.e. CP Stamina/Capacity).
3) Thoughts:
- classic CrossFit chipper/beatdown
- most important thing for competitors to realize is that they cannot finish the workout in 10 minutes, and should not attempt to do so, if they do it will end up as a DNF or a very painful last half of the workout. Strategy, proper resting, and recovery of shoulders/quads will be very important in this one.
- this event will test how much discomfort you can put up with while breathing your ass off.
- there will be too many breaks during the event to call it a true aerobic test, but it will be close for some of the elite competitors as they will not be breaking too often.
Event # 5 - "Double Under/Snatch"
1) Modalities - 2
2) Energy System Tested - CP Capacity (this is pretty much a true test of the ATP/CP system, if not for the double unders)
3) Thoughts:
- the double unders add a nice adaptability component. For people getting to the higher loads of 225+, you will have done a fair number of double unders prior to these lifts which can mess with the tech/timing of the Snatch
- your shoulders/low back/quads will likely be quite tender prior to this event, due to the Friday and Saturday events. This may or may not play a vital role in your max effort attempts. However, from my previous experiences in competitions, it will not cause much issue for most people, as adrenaline/cortisol is a wonderful this during competition (not so much for the following week when you don't have any and have trouble lifting your head off the pillow in the morning).
- why not do this event first? If you want test true potential of someone's CP/ATP system, place it first in the weekend. Or, place it earlier in the competition before people are too beat up.
Event # 6 - "The Finale"
1) Modalities - 6
2) Energy System Tested - the 3 rounds of DL/MU's will be CP Stamina/Capacity, after that it will be an aerobic power test
3) Thoughts:
- I think the heavy DL in this event is overkill on the weightlifting and your precious lumbar vertebrae/discs.
- for the numerous females that are not proficient at MU's, the moderate/heavy DL will not help with this. As the DL will likely heavily fatigue the lats/arms making the MU reps that much harder for them.
- It will be key to not smash your grip by pushing too hard on the DL's or the MU's as the toes to bar, farmers walks, and last set of MU's will be tough on the grip.
Limitations of the Regional workouts
- it is only one weekend, and it can't be expected that the events chosen by CrossFit would include every potential modality as equipment shipping/transport/set-up/take down cannot be extreme. I will just discuss what this may be missing.
- each Regional has to have the same workouts, meaning that all event host centres have to have all necessary accommodations, which will again limit workout options (i.e. running, swimming, climbing, etc.).
- the shoulder girdle (more specifically the GH Joint) will once again be devastated by the end of the weekend, hopefully their will not be too many injuries.
- the lumbar vertebrae/musculature will also be devastated by the end of the weekend. Again, hope there are not too many injuries.
- there is no test of Aerobic Capacity/Aerobic Power or Aerobic Endurance (this is where running should come in).
- running is not included in the event, yogging is.
- there is no test of the Anaerobic Lactate (or Anaerobic Glycolytic) system (i.e. something really hard) as all the events are too slow, and hence, not powerful for a sufficient time frame.
- there is no test of Squatting Strength (high rep squatting is not a test of strength, and will not determine who is best at squatting).
- there is no test of Bending Strength, i.e. Deadlift (high rep bending movements are not equivalent to 1RM's).
- there is no test of Upper Body Pulling or Pressing Strength. I loved that their was a Chin-up test in the Games last year...very cool, as was the softball throw. Again, high rep movements do not qualify as a test of strength).
- 5 out of the 6 events include some kind of moderate/heavy bending movement, that is a lot of a single movement pattern. Too much?
- 4 out of the 6 events include some kind of moderate/heavy overhead pressing/lockout, that is a lot for those rotator cuffs to handle in 3 days. Thoughts?
- why is the criteria for being cut from an event (i.e. not finishing the HSPU's/Clean's/DB Snatches/etc.) always based on CP ability. When will people be cut from an event due to inability in their anaerobic glycolytic/anaerobic lactic (i.e. row 500m in a certain time relative to your body weight) or due to an inability in aerobic power (i.e. run 1600m under 7 min for males, under 8 mins for females). This is a very simple question to ask, as well as a very simple thing to test for. For the people spending a lot of money to go to these events, at least tell them before they make travel arrangements and pay their registration fee that if you cannot do the following things: A, B, C, D...then you probably shouldn't bother coming.
- in my opinion, CrossFit is testing their definition of fitness, and who is fit. Which is fine as this is what I signed up for. This is not how I would design a competition to find who is fittest, as clearly my biases/definition are not the same as CrossFit's.
- I believe that you should be able to test for the fittest without having to leverage the individual's body/health against it. At what point does volume during a weekend competition move from necessary to borderline harmful? I believe that it speaks to the validity and efficiency of the tests implored to be able to find your answer in the simplest and least harmful way possible. Critics of my belief may say "you should be able to do that much work if you are to be called the fittest, or "that is CrossFit", or what have you. Maybe they are right. But, I say that is being unaware of the possibilities. Possibilities that have yet to be explored.
- comments are welcome.
All the best to each and every competitor. Full effort, full victory.
Great post and look forward to seeing if your thoughts change after the event. Certainly is missing a good running test and also as you mentioned something in the short ALE range.
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ReplyDeleteI do not like running, I like yogging
I do not enjoy aerobic capacity tests or tough anaerobic lactate tests
I do, however, love CP Capacity/Stamina Tests!
and I love "Diane", my goal is to beat Brett's time
Is it a balanced test of fitness? Probably not.
But I wouldn't ask them to change a thing! Thank god that 2k Row is at the begging of the workout!
Just kidding...kinda :)
Colin, these events will be great for you. Now, get it done and get to the Games.
DeleteA well thought out commentary Michael.
ReplyDeleteGood luck to all.
Well said Mike, I completely agree. This is the first competition that I am mildly concerned for my well-being (esp. if I make it to WOD 6!) as shoulders and low back are my weak points to start with. Regardless, I'm looking forward to throwing down with all you guys again and hopefully nobody gets hurt. See ya Friday.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Pete. See you Friday.
Deleteid like to see them test pure speed like "ball sports" do. lets see how everyone would do in a 40 yard dash. no run that crossfit incorporates really tests speed.
ReplyDeleteGreat post Michael.
ReplyDeleteI agree in essence with what you say, I also find it difficult to argue. My concern with most Crossfit competitions is that there is so much that can be tested that it is impossible to test everything.
ReplyDeleteI can see HQ's argument with having these but some of these workouts look like Games workouts rather then Regional ones. There is this big phrase in the promo for the Games saying that Regionals in some cases is more competative then the games itself a few years ago. Yes this is true but lets not treat it like the Games.
What is it they say 'constantly varied functional movements across broad time and modal domains'
I'll give you the broad times cos these will all vary but not enough modalities and definately not a reflection on everyday life.
Just my opinion.
If a task being performed at high intensity lasts longer than a minute, wouldn't the majority of ATP production result from the glycolytic pathway rather than CP?
ReplyDeleteIt is dependent on the intensity/speed of the activity. High intensity is a loose term, you would need to give me an example of what you are talking about, or which portion you are suggesting would be ANG vs. CP.
DeleteColin, that is funny!!! Looks right up your alley… goodluck!
ReplyDeletegreat post!!
ReplyDeleteMichael,
ReplyDeleteAfter getting to watch and compete in these events, do you still have the same opinion that Regionals only test the CP pathway or have you changed your mind?
Thanks!
Steve0,
DeleteIf you read my post in its entirety, you would not have read that I believe Regionals only test the CP Pathway. However, the CP Pathway was the major test throughout the entire weekend.
Cheers
Sorry, I read the whole post but I thought these quotes from the end of your post mean that you only thought the CP system was used. These sounded pretty firm.
ReplyDelete"there is no test of Aerobic Capacity/Aerobic Power or Aerobic Endurance..."
"there is no test of the Anaerobic Lactate (or Anaerobic Glycolytic) system..."
Well, guaranteed there was no true test of any systems absolute potential for maximum output, the Snatch ladder was the closest for the CP system, but had a little bit of a fatigue element to it with both the ladder scenario and the double unders. But, for CrossFit, you have to be good at this kind of adaptation. The DB Power Snatch/Running event was the closest for the Lactate system, but was not close to absolute output for the 4:17 that it took me to complete the event, nor was it for any of the other males in Canada West from what I saw. The DB Power Snatch was the limiting factor here for both speed of repetitions and output. As I mentioned in my post, Event # 4 would be the closest test of Aerobic Power for an entire event (for the best Male/Female CrossFitters, not for the majority of competitors), and the last portion of Event # 6 was probably closer for the fastest competitors as they were able to continue moving through the Wall Balls/Toes to Bar/Farmer's Carry/Burpees with less breaks/rest as compared to Event # 4. For me, the box jump burpees were the hardest part (Aerobically) of the entire weekend for me.
DeleteThere was no test of the Aerobic system, there were attempts to test it, but for the very large majority of the competition the aerobic system was not the limiting factor to performance, muscular/movement stamina was. In order to test an energy system, that system has to be the reason for limitation. Think of a 2000m Row, why can't you go faster?
Is your name really Steve0? That would be really cool.
Actually, the capacity of the CP system to do repeated efforts (i.e. fatigue based) or what I refer to it as CP battery, was definitely tested (HSPU for most, Cleans for everyone as nobody did it unbroken, DB Power Snatch for most, 135#/95# shoulder to overhead for most, 345#/225# DL for probably half, MU's for half).
DeleteI don't think any mother in her right mind would name her kid SteveO... it's just a nickname.
ReplyDeleteThe reason I ask is because the way I understand this energy-pathway stuff, the pathways are basically always working together, but they trade dominance as the activity goes on for a long time or becomes more intense. When you have a workout like event #4 that is over 15 minutes of near continual movement for the best athletes, how would that not be fueled at least in some great part by Aerobic energy? That sound like a test of Aerobic capacity considering if you didn't have any you would be stopping a lot between short hard efforts to breath hard and probably wouldn't have made the cut-off?
You are absolutely correct in that the CP, Anaerobic Lactate, and Aerobic systems are always working all the time in fitness. Yes, the dominance of which system is being utilized, and how the muscle is going to make more ATP, is intensity dependent.
DeleteHowever, just because you are breathing for nearly 18 minutes or so in event # 4, does not meant that it is a proper test of the Aerobic system, and not just a fatigued based CP test (think AMRAP in 15 minutes - heavy deadlifts and muscle-ups). That is not to say that the aerobic system is not strongly involved in recovery during the breaks and during the repetitions themselves, just that the power output throughout the 18 minutes if too low and too inconsistent for it to be a better test. If people start calling things like this a test of aerobic power, then that would make a body building workout that has short rest times a test of aerobic power as well (http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/291/German_Body_Comp_for_Athletes.aspx). These Poliquin workouts will have you breathing your ass off, but they are by no means a test of Aerobic Power, nor are they meant to be.
For me, a true test of aerobic power has to be continuous (or really close to it), have the potential to be sped up in pace if desired, and the only reason you take a break is generally because you hate your life, not because the shoulder to overhead weight becomes too heavy and you have to take a break. CrossFit does have plenty benchmark workouts that would fit this standard (i.e. "Helen", "Jackie"), as does Gym Jones (i.e. 300FY), as do many other individuals. If the test does not meet these standards, then it is not going to be a true test in my books. That does not mean that it is not utilizing the Aerobic system, just that it is not testing its true capability for power output and sustainability. The only way to get the real answer is to analyze each person during the event, measuring the amount of CP energy, ADP-->ATP rephosphorlaytion (sp?), Anaerobic metabolism by-product, and Aerobic metabolism. Outside of doing this, it is hard to say. But, based on science, knowledge, and prior experience of how the different energy systems feel, you can make an educated guess.
Good questions th0, Steve0
Does Glassman work out? And why is Sakamoto so jacked?
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